Banned from a Bible Forum

I was banned, recently, from the Bible forum I’ve been participating in for the last year. (I would’ve posted about this, sooner, but my website was down at the time.) I’m not really surprised that they banned me, more surprised that they took so long to do it. I came to the forum specifically on their invitation. Even then, I made clear from the start that I was not sympathetic to their point of view and would be expressing views they might find uncomfortable, if I stayed — and only chose to stay after they said they still wanted me there, regardless. However, they considered any religious criticism and any contrary opinion to their Christian beliefs and doctrine to be “trolling” or worse (I’ll discuss “worse” in a future post), no matter how honest the inquiry or relevant the critique, and no matter how gently worded.
Here’s what happened:

First, someone posted this.*


The author, Rick Mathes, is a well-known leader in prison ministry. The man who walks with God always gets to his destination. If you have a pulse you have a purpose.
The Muslim religion is the fastest growing religion per capita in the United States, especially in the minority races.
Last month I attended my annual training session that’s required for maintaining my state prison security clearance. During the training session there was a presentation by three speakers representing the Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths, who each explained their beliefs.
I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say. The Muslim gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam, complete with a video.
After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers. When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Muslim and asked:
‘Please, correct me if I’m wrong, but I understand that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world and, that by killing an infidel, (which is a command to all Muslims) they are assured of a place in heaven. If that’s the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?’
There was no disagreement with my statements and, without hesitation, he replied, ” Nonbelievers”
I responded, ‘So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can have a place in heaven. Is that correct?’
The expression on his face changed from one of authority and command to that of a little boy who had just been caught with his hand in the cookie jar.’
He sheepishly replied, ‘Yes.’
I then stated, ‘Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine The Pope commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith or Dr. Stanley ordering all Protestants to do the same in order to guarantee them a place in heaven!’
The Muslim was speechless.
I continued, ‘I also have a problem with being your friend when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me! Let me ask you a question:
Would you rather have your Allah, who tells you to kill me in order for you to go to heaven, or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to heaven and He wants you to be there with me?’
You could have heard a pin drop.
Needless to say, the organizers and/or promoters of the ‘Diversification’ training seminar were not happy with my way of dealing with the Islamic Imam, and exposing the truth about the Muslims’ beliefs.
In twenty years there will be enough Muslim voters in the U.S. to elect the President.
I think everyone in the U.S. should be required to read this, but with the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized, unless each of us sends it on! This is your chance to make a difference.
Please pray and send this on……please.

I was struck by the cognitive dissonance of this post, since the Bible has its own injunctions to kill nonbelievers, and many Christians take for granted that these commands were moral when they came from Yahweh in the Bible. So, I posted the following reply:

“I wonder what the author, Rick Mathes, would say about Bible passages such as Deuteronomy 13:6-11 (wherein God commands killing your family or friends if they entice you to worship other gods), or Deuteronomy 13:12-18 (wherein God commands the Israelites kill everyone in the entire town and destroy everything, if anyone therein is found to be worshipping other gods), or 2 Chronicles 15:12-13 (wherein Asa, and the people of Judah, Benjamin, Ephraim, Manasseh, and Simeon make a covenant to kill nonbelievers), etc.”

A little while later, the moderator replied to me, “Always tell the truth,” and then banned me from the forum. Which is a funny thing for him to say, while banning me for telling the truth!
For the record, here’s Deuteronomy 13:6-11:

“Suppose someone secretly entices you—even your brother, your son or daughter, your beloved wife, or your closest friend—and says, ‘Let us go worship other gods’—gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known. They might suggest that you worship the gods of peoples who live nearby or who come from the ends of the earth. But do not give in or listen. Have no pity, and do not spare or protect them. You must put them to death! Strike the first blow yourself, and then all the people must join in. Stone the guilty ones to death because they have tried to draw you away from the Lord your God, who rescued you from the land of Egypt, the place of slavery. Then all Israel will hear about it and be afraid, and no one will act so wickedly again.” — New Living Testament translation

Here’s Deuteronomy 13:12-18:

“When you begin living in the towns the Lord your God is giving you, you may hear that scoundrels among you are leading their fellow citizens astray by saying, ‘Let us go worship other gods’—gods you have not known before. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find that the report is true and such a detestable act has been committed among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the open square and burn it. Burn the entire town as a burnt offering to the Lord your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the Lord will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a large nation, just as he swore to your ancestors. “The Lord your God will be merciful only if you listen to his voice and keep all his commands that I am giving you today, doing what pleases him.” — New Living Testament translation

And here’s 2 Chronicles 15:12-13:

“Then they entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their ancestors, with all their heart and soul. They agreed that anyone who refused to seek the Lord, the God of Israel, would be put to death—whether young or old, man or woman.” — New Living Testament translation

I did nothing here but make accurate references and give accurate descriptions of them, which were directly relevant. Which brings up the ultimate irony: Bible forum moderators and participants so offended by what their holy scripture actually says that they’ll ban someone for accurately referencing or quoting it.



*Yes, I know that what he posted came from a chain email, and probably never even happened. That’s beside the point.

One thought on “Banned from a Bible Forum”

  1. You could tell the first post about muslims was a chain mail because it set up a straw man argument. There are other areas of the Quran which preach tolerance to the other religions of the book. Just as you pointed out passages of the bible that have the same vicious type of message. I think while what you said was correct, wording it differently might have been better. Such as starting with the statement that there are opposing passages in the Quran as well and that there are “bad” passages in the bible and then quoting the above. If you got kicked after that, I would have to assume they’re only interested in vilifying opposing beliefs.

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